I'm looking into buying a 300' boat and turning it into a massive live/work space for about 60 creative burningman artists types. The boat itself would become a work of art.
I have cost estimates for buying the boat and doing basic repairs on it. But, I don't have a clue about the recurring costs for maintenance, mooring, etc. And I have no idea about the legal aspects about converting a boat into a co-operative living space and living in it.
In the short to medium term, that the boat will just stay in dock so that should hopefully simplify things a bit.
Any tips where I can start my research? Any other suggestions or help would be much appreciated too!
The boat is here: www.maritimematters.com/xanadu1.html
And our tribe is here: tribes.tribe.net/floatingman
Have fun!
-Adam
I have cost estimates for buying the boat and doing basic repairs on it. But, I don't have a clue about the recurring costs for maintenance, mooring, etc. And I have no idea about the legal aspects about converting a boat into a co-operative living space and living in it.
In the short to medium term, that the boat will just stay in dock so that should hopefully simplify things a bit.
Any tips where I can start my research? Any other suggestions or help would be much appreciated too!
The boat is here: www.maritimematters.com/xanadu1.html
And our tribe is here: tribes.tribe.net/floatingman
Have fun!
-Adam
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Re: A 300' houseboat!!
Tue, November 1, 2005 - 3:29 PMHi Adam,
That is a BIG boat! I sell boats for a living (not quite as big as that one) and while I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything... I do have a few things for you to consider:
1. If you live in the bay area, berthing is going to be somewhere around $10-15 a foot plus water & electricity. It may be difficult to find a marina to take a boat that large. A 40' beam is pretty large. Also, it is getting more and more difficult to find marinas that let people liveaboard.
2. Insurance. Many insurance agencies will not insure liveaboards. Also it is tough to find one to insure a boat that old. I believe BoatUS does liveaboard boats.
3. Maintenance is hard to determine. I'm assuming that the boat's hull is made out of steel? Fiberglass boats get bottom painted every 2-3 years to keep the hull from blistering and to protect it from marine growth. Not sure if you'll want that or not. If so, a boat that size may cost somewhere in the range of $5,000 - $10,000 to bottom paint it. Plus the boat will need to be hauled out to be painted.
4. You'll might want to have the Coast Guard check it over to make sure all is ok. They have regulations for required equipment: fire extinguishers, flares, flotation devices, etc.
5. If the boat doesn't have it already, look into getting a grey water system. California will be requiring it in the near future.
Not trying to turn you away from your idea.... but a boat (especially a larger older boat) does require investing not only time but some money. The joke in the industry is that boat stands for Bring Out Another Thousand. I'm sure you've also looked into having it moved from LA to SF... diesel, hiring a captain, etc.
I wish you luck on your cool idea and please let us know how things go! Feel free to message me here if I can answer any questions.
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Re: A 300' houseboat!!
Tue, November 1, 2005 - 4:25 PMJust a couple of quick notes.
The idea eventually is to move into international waters. The plan for the medium term is to leave the boat in Los Angeles. San Francisco is an amazing place, but LA has much better weather.
I'll have to check with the Port of Los Angeles to see what regulations they have about liveaboards. And, I'll check and see what the current owners are paying for berthing.
Where can I find the Coast Guard regulations? And in particular I'm looking for regulations for a stationary houseboat (or I guess a cooperatively owned apartment boat).
Gray water shouldn't be a problem. It'll be a rather hippy crowd and recycling and renewable energy will be a high-priority.
"Bring out another thousand" - I'm looking at hundreds of thousands. :-)
Thanks for your help.
-Adam :-)
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Re: A 300' houseboat!!
Fri, December 9, 2005 - 1:09 PMwhere is the boat? Seems like a fabulous idea to me, I live in SF, and believe the residents here should have floating communities galore as there are in otherparts of the world. I have a little 32'ft live aboard boat, but Pier 39 makes it difficult for full timers...2 days on ,one off type of thing so .... -
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Re: A 300' houseboat!!
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 10:20 AMThe boat is in a harbor in Los Angeles. I have no idea how welcome the authorities would be to have a large group of artists/creative minded people living on it full time.
Eventually, I'd like to permanently park it in International waters - but that is a bit of a long term plan.
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Re: A 300' houseboat!!
Tue, June 6, 2006 - 3:10 PMHas there been any progress? -
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Re: A 300' houseboat!!
Wed, June 7, 2006 - 8:24 AM
Not so much progress... I am continuing to learn about boats and boating and continue to look for other crazy, talented, people to join me.
I have found that there are some people out there at least as crazy as I am. These guys are a bit of an inspiration.
www.floatingneutrinos.com/
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